Michelle Binette, Interior Decorator, guides us through the 8 finishing touches you need to finish off your home.
• Do you really need the right colour, patterns, textures or even wallpaper for your home?
• How many colours should you base off?
• Does the amount of light you have in your home matter?
• Is black really back?
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Hi everybody, thank you so much for joining us. Today we have with us Michelle Binette. She is an interior decorator and she’s going to tell us some great ideas about decorating and things we need to know. Thank you so much for joining us Michelle, welcome.
Michelle: Thank you so much for having me back.
Davelle : Awesome, sounds good. Tell us a little bit about what you do.
Michelle: Yeah, I’m a local interior decorator. Basically what that means is I don’t tend to deal with any renovations so I don’t do kitchens or bathrooms but what I do is I help people with their floor planning, their furniture arrangement, sourcing furniture and a lot of people will also have me come in and just do the finishing touches. They might already have all their furniture and I will come in and kinda just take it from mediocre to fancy.
Davelle : Awesome, that sounds great.
Michelle: Make it look like it’s out of a magazine, that’s the goal right?
Davelle : Amazing, everybody loves that magazine look.
Michelle: Accessible magazine.
Davelle : Yeah, absolutely. Can you give us an idea about what some of the finishing touches are that you would recommend for people?
Michelle: Absolutely. Basically what I do is there’s probably a list of eight things that I like to consider when I’m doing the finishing touches in a client’s home or even in my own home. I think that this is where a lot of people kinda fall short. Some people feel like they’ve decorated their home but they kinda take a look around and they feel like something is just missing. What a lot of people call it is kinda making it feel polished and I would compare it to making it look like a magazine photo but obviously a livable, functional space that doesn’t feel like you can’t touch everything.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: Yeah, what I do is I have eight things that I consider as I go through a room. Like everything these are kind of like guidelines, they’re not a hard and fast rule but they’re things to consider to make your space feel finished. I’ll get started.
Davelle : Okay, cool, thanks.
Michelle: So far so good. The first thing I think is probably obvious but I think … it’s color.
Davelle : Okay.
Michelle: What a lot of people do here is they kind of when they start thinking about their color palette for their rooms, they just think about it with one color. They might say, “Okay I want to bring in some red” and what I find a lot of people do is they bring in the red and they have either a red throw pillow, maybe a red piece of art and what it does is it just feels really flat. It makes it feel like it’s missing something. What I try to do and I tell clients to do, is to really think about bringing in three or more colors. Ideally the more the better which sounds kinda crazy.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: It can, it’s like everything, there’s a right and a wrong way to do things. What you want to keep in mind is all the elements in the room already are helping you with that color. For example, you’ve got your floors so maybe you have a deep, dark wood floor. That’s bringing in color. You’ve got your art, you’ve got your window treatments, your pillows, even your lamps, things like that. What you want to do is find your dominant color but bring additional colors in alongside of it to really make it feel more dynamic and less flat.
Davelle : Awesome. When you’re saying with the color is that with paint, with wallpaper, you mentioned pillows and things like that already.
Michelle: Yeah, it’s really with all of these things. Any time I’m bringing a room together for a client, I’ll pull it all together kinda like in a mood board so I use [inaudible 00:04:20] personally. If you’re doing this DIY you can do this with a Pinterest board but everything is considered. You’re bringing in even your upholstery in your couch. If you’re going to Crate and Barrel and you’re picking a specific couch fabric, that kind of lending itself to your color palette and these are things you want to continue to consider as you’re shopping for new elements to layer on top of it. It’s literally everything. It could be if you have a bookshelf, your books that are on your shelf. It could be your vases, all of these things. You really want to make sure that it’s making sense and you’re putting it together in a way that makes sense and not clashing.
Davelle : Got that.
Michelle: I think what a lot of people do is they just really go and stick with one color and then they wonder why it’s just not feeling like it’s quite polished or quite there yet.
Davelle : Sure. If we go to sort of the paints and the wallpaper, is it good to do an accent color or an accent wall rather or is it better for people to paint all of the walls the same color when you’re talking about add color. How would you recommend?
Michelle: I do love an accent wall but I think an accent wall is great when it makes sense. For me I like to create an accent wall when the architecture of the home makes sense so for example if maybe there’s an alcove in the room and it’s creating a distinct area which is telling me oh maybe I could turn that into an accent color, maybe even a wallpaper or maybe you could even do like a wood, shiplap or whatever that is.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: I find sometimes people just get really excited about accent walls and then they just want to put one just for the sake of putting one on a wall.
Davelle : Okay.
Michelle: I really try to find … I want things to make sense. Accent walls can really turn into feeling choppy as well so if you’re looking and your eye already feels like there’s a lot of lines starting and stopping kind of when you look at one room to the next, things like that. I do try to consider all of that. For me accent walls are good on the right walls if the architecture makes sense.
Davelle : Got it, that makes sense.
Davelle : What about let’s say wallpaper because for awhile wallpaper just wasn’t in and you shouldn’t be using wallpaper. It was something from way back when but now it seems like wallpaper is in. What are your thoughts about wallpaper?
Michelle: I love wallpaper, love, love it. I love it. I’m into it and I love any client who is willing to go bold and it’s the same thing though. I think a great room to do wallpaper in would be a power room because it’s small and it’s a great place to do something fun and exciting without it feeling too crazy or feeling like you’re committing to too much pattern in an entire room.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: I love wallpaper and I have a few clients that are actually, we’re doing some accent walls and again the walls are lending themselves really well to an accent. For example, the one bedroom it’s just very simple, we have a row of cabinets on one wall and then on the opposite wall is the wallpaper. For me I really try to balance it. If you’re going with a heavy print on one wall, really try to look to the opposite side of the room to do something that can help make it feel balanced.
Davelle : Got it.
Michelle: Yes, I’m a yes to wallpaper.
Davelle : Yes to wallpaper. That’s awesome. Can you tell us what is something else that you would include as a finishing touch for somebody in a room?
Michelle: Okay so the next thing would be pattern. Actually wallpaper is a great option to help add pattern in to a room. People get a little freaked out by pattern. I think that pattern is one of those things if you don’t do it right it can look a bit crazy in the room and you want to make sure you reel that in. It is recommended to do three or more patterns in a room. What’s interesting is Sarah Richardson actually says that she generally incorporates 12 or more patterns into any given room that she designs.
Davelle : Holy crap.
Michelle: I know. I remember the first time she said that I’m thinking wow that sounds really intense. Then when you start to break it down and think about all of the elements of a room and where you see pattern, like we just talked about wallpaper that would be one pattern. You’ve got your rug which could have a pattern, your upholstery on your accent chair, curtains, throw pillows, blankets, even the finishes in the room. Let’s say you have a fireplace and maybe there’s a herringbone tile on the fireplace, that’s also a pattern. Already, I didn’t keep track, but I probably said seven different places that you can find patterns without even thinking about more than one throw pillow. When you start to break it down like that, it starts to make a little more sense.
A quick tip for patterns because, like I said, there is a right and a wrong way, it can be a really difficult process. It’s basically to think about it in scales so basically if you’re gonna do three patterns, let’s say you’re doing three throw pillows side by side on your couch, you’re gonna think large, medium, small scale patterns. That’s a really good way to figure out how to blend them and if you’re looking at the three patterns side by side and you’re struggling to tell whether or not it’s a large scale pattern or small scale pattern, what you want to do is just squint your eyes and if you can tell that there’s three different patterns then you’re good. If you can’t tell, then they’re just too similar.
Another thing you can do is really think about the color. If you’re trying to tie two patterns together even though they’re very different, which is totally fine, what you want to do is find some similarities and a lot of the times that will be through color or it could be through the type of pattern. Maybe you have two stripes patterned pillows but they’re just in different scales and that’s how you tie the two together even if they’re completely different colors.
Davelle : Right and I guess what you’re saying is you could do stripes and you could do florals and paisleys and everything all together?
Michelle: Yes. I love that. I love blending different types of patterns, again done right it could look really, really beautiful.
Davelle : Cool, awesome.
Michelle: I think it’s a great way to add personality too.
Davelle : Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, for sure. Is there any other finishing touch that you would suggest for somebody trying to finish a room.
Michelle: Yes. Another great thing is to add texture. Like I said earlier, these aren’t hard rules. You’ve probably seen in magazines or on Instagram rooms that actually don’t incorporate a lot of color so it goes against trying to get three or more colors into a room obviously. It still looks really finished and polished. A great way to work with that is to instead of thinking about various colors, bringing in various textures. Let’s say you’re going with a gray palette. What you want to do is think about really chunky knit throw pillows, maybe a sheepskin, things like that. Baskets are great ways to add texture, I love baskets because A they look great, they feel really natural and obviously they are functional because you can put stuff in them, which is always nice.
Davelle : Of course.
Michelle: Textures is a big one. This is probably one of the big ones that I’m always thinking about is bringing in texture. For example, if I’m sourcing a couch what I often will do is try to look to a different type of texture for the chairs that might accompany the couch, whether it’s one accent chair or two accent chairs. I try to think about finding something that maybe it’s rattan, which is really big right now and I’m really loving, rattan is one of those polarizing type finishes where people either love them or hate them.
Davelle : It’s funny I was just about to mention, I was about to say rattan, I’m like really rattan is making a comeback, seriously?
Michelle: It is. I’m loving it.
Davelle : For patio furniture perhaps?
Michelle: Yeah. You can just bring that patio furniture right into your house.
Davelle : Oh god, seriously?
Michelle: You know what, I feel like sometimes I say things to the clients where I’m like I know that this word is just a turnoff and I feel like I need to come with a picture to show you I promise it’s beautiful because it’s totally one of those things where I feel like if you say wicker people are like, “Oh my god, no!” No, I’m into it right now, I’m very into it.
Davelle : Wow, yeah, it’s funny I guess you’re right, rattan is polarizing and I guess I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum and I’m just like, “Yeah for patio furniture right?” I do have something that’s rattan, wicker, whatever sitting on my front porch. It’s an enclosed front porch, that furniture is not inside my house and it makes sense for that. It’s funny actually now that I think about it, there’s these Ikea cubes that are made of rattan and I have a couple in my house really just for storage but it’s kinda like my poor man’s storage. I don’t consider it to be a great decorating tool.
Michelle: You know what though you just added texture in your house without meaning to. There you go, two birds with one stone, storage and texture.
Davelle : Wow, rattan, wow. Yeah, I gotta think about that one.
Michelle: You know what I’m gonna do, I’m actually gonna email you some good examples of this and you’ll probably still potentially hate it but it’s not totally patio furniture in your house even though that’s what it sounds like.
Davelle : Okay, awesome.
Michelle: I promise, I promise.
Davelle : Okay. It’s funny, when it comes to textures the fuzzy texture I can totally get behind, I love the throw blankets on couches that are nice and furry.
Davelle : I’ve got a carpet, it’s from there’s this placed called Floor and they give you carpet squares and you can create your own carpet from it.
Michelle: Yeah. They sadly closed down.
Davelle : What?
Michelle: Floor in Toronto it’s either closing or has closed.
Davelle : No, really?
Michelle: Yeah. Isn’t that upsetting?
Davelle : That’s so upsetting, oh my god.
Michelle: I know.
Davelle : I have a shaggy square next to a matte square next to a striped square and it’s wicked, I love it. Wow.
Michelle: That is awesome, you’ll have to take a picture of that and send that to me.
Davelle : Okay, I will.
Michelle: I’m struggling to picture the shaggy square so I need to see that.
Davelle : Okay, I’m going to take a picture and I’ll send it to you. Sounds like a plan.
Michelle: I like it. Now you’ve done the pattern, texture and if there’s color in there you’ve just killed three birds with one stone with that rug.
Davelle : Yeah, absolutely for sure. I’ll definitely send you a picture so you can check it out.
Michelle: Nailed it.
Davelle : What’s another finishing touch that you would put in the room to make sure everything looks good?
Michelle: Okay, so this one’s easy breezy just add something shiny.
Davelle : Cool.
Michelle: Bring in a mirror, a silver serving tray, it could even be the lacquer or something on your furniture but easy breezy, something shiny.
Davelle : I guess shiny could be wallpaper too, right?
Michelle: It could if you get a metallic one, it could be, yeah.
Davelle : Cool, awesome.
Michelle: I’ve seen lots of great metallic wallpapers that I quite love.
Davelle : Yeah, actually so have I actually.
Michelle: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Davelle : Cool. Anything else that you would suggest as another finishing touch.
Michelle: Sorry before I move on I was going to say a great place for awesome wallpaper is Hygge and West, they’re based in the States but they do ship to Canada but they have lots of really fun, awesome wallpaper and some metallic stuff too.
Davelle : Cool. Where can people find that wallpaper? You said it was Hygge and West, is that a store or is it only online?
Michelle: Hygge and West, it’s an online store. You know what, I’m willing to bet that probably there’s a retailer in Toronto that carries it but I don’t know where. It’s Hygge and West.
Davelle : Okay, cool, awesome.
Michelle: It’s glorious. Okay so the next one’s actually really easy too. It’s just adding life. Basically get some plants, every time I work with a client I always ask them, “How do you feel about plants?” I know plants are not everybody’s best friend me included. I think it was last year I told myself you know what it’s time, I’m gonna take care of a plant, it’s going to be great. I’m going to figure out which ones I can’t kill because that’s really important.
Davelle : Yeah.
Michelle: It just does so much. I’m sure when you’re staging homes you do this, I don’t even know what it is but bringing in a plant, obviously it brings in great colors and whatnot.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: It brings in its own kind of texture as well. Plants, plants, plants, I love them. There’s lots of great ones you can’t kill. There’s no excuse.
Davelle : That’s so funny, there’s lots of great ones you can’t kill until you meet me. I mean I’m trying.
Michelle: I was just going to say if I’m being honest I’m kind of killing the ones that you can’t kill but I’m trying.
Davelle : I had some …
Michelle: Sometimes it’s not about the plants.
Davelle : Of course, but I had some bamboo once and it was like, oh bamboo’s great.
Davelle : I’m not going to kill the bamboo. Anyways it lasted for a few years.
Michelle: Then you did?
Davelle : Yeah. Exactly.
Michelle: Yeah, I did the same. It was college and I definitely killed them and I think you have to get three bamboos, that [inaudible 00:17:38], you get three, something about luck or did I just make that up.
Davelle : Actually I think it’s more like seven or eight. One is luck, one is prosperity, one is something else.
Michelle: Oh wow.
Davelle : I think I had eight of them because I was going for the full prosperity thing, right?
Michelle: Yeah, that’s what I did wrong.
Davelle : Some plants I can let live and others I’m having an issue with. The biggest saving grace I’ve had for plants is what’s that company called, they have self watering plants.
Davelle : What that means is there’s like a little thermometer on top, like a test tube almost on top of the planter and you can see the rise and fall of it so you know when to water your plant. Once you fill up the base so that the tube is all the way to the top, it will just water itself. Then you just go back and water it whenever you see that little stick down. That’s probably been my biggest saving grace to making plants work.
Michelle: Yeah, that’s amazing. I did get a plant thermometer, I don’t know what you call it, a moisture meter not a thermometer.
Davelle : Yeah.
Michelle: My partner always makes fun of me because every time he walks by he’s like it’s always dry. I do my research and you’re not supposed to over water a plant either which is what I think I was very early on in my plant career that’s how I was killing plants. You think that [inaudible 00:19:06] you have to water them, water them but that’s also not good.
Davelle : Yeah, exactly.
Michelle: No, plants they’re not easy but they’re worth it if you can figure them out.
Davelle : Interesting.
Michelle: Another thing you can do too if you’re not into plants [inaudible 00:19:10] super cheap, super easy to maintain and they’re great.
Davelle : Yeah.
Michelle: You can also bring in things like get a bowl of lemons or something like that [inaudible 00:19:29].
Davelle : Which is what a lot of the stagers do I find. There’s always a bowl of red apples or green apples or lemons or oranges sitting on the countertop. I do notice that in homes that are staged. There is always that for sure.
Davelle : Absolutely, what’s next on your …
Michelle: Yeah, the next one is basically just adding light. A lot of people when they’re dealing with a room they assume this overhead light, whether they have pot lights or even just a light fixture, they feel like that’s enough. You know what, it’s really bright, it’s great, I don’t really need anything else. You’re gonna want to try to incorporate three light sources into your space so ambient light is natural light coming in through your windows or your overhead light which is kind of there in your room.
In addition to that, you want to roll in [inaudible 00:20:21] lighting or your decorative lighting and these are the things that you know you got your floor lamps, your table lamps, maybe you add sconces on to the wall in certain areas. It’s not always about helping you see better, it’s really just making that room feel finished and polished again. It’s just one of those things where even a floor or a table lamp can be a decorative object. It can help you bring in color. It can bring pattern if you get something with a cool pattern on it. I try to think of other [inaudible 00:20:55] it’s going to help me see better but it’s also going to help make the space feel a little polished.
Davelle : That makes a lot of sense.
Michelle: Pretty easy, yeah.
Davelle : Can you speak a little bit about light bulbs in general? For example, when I go to Home Depot I could get either a warm light bulb or like a white, white light bulb. Which one do you think is better for a room or does it just depend on the room?
Michelle: I think it depends but what I’m not into is that really yellow looking light where everything feels [inaudible 00:21:25] so I prefer like a bright bulb actually that’s more white.
Davelle : Okay.
Michelle: I do think it’s probably a matter of preference. I will say that if you can get all your lights on dimmers you can buy things you plug in even to a floor lamp or a table lamp that will allow you to even dim those [inaudible 00:21:43] bulbs.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: It’s really nice to be able to have your overhead light on but not have it blasting. It’s really unflattering from up above so it’s nice to be able to have it on but kind of dim it down and still kind of create a nice atmosphere. That’s one big tip I would suggest. Have everything on dimmers.
Davelle : Okay.
Michelle: If you don’t have your fixtures on dimmers it’s a really easy thing to do not that I’m suggesting anybody does this themselves but even if you have somebody like an electrician to come in. I don’t think it’s a major job at all but it’s totally worth it.
Davelle : Awesome, okay that sounds great. What else you got for us?
Michelle: Okay so the second last one is another super simple one and it’s just to add black. Basically I would say designers fall into two schools of thought. One is every room should have one thing that’s red and then others subscribe to every room should have one thing that’s black. I’m more of the make sure your room has one thing that’s black at it as opposed to the red. Basically it could be your picture frames, it could be a vase and my suggestion for this is obviously black can be really heavy so depending on how you incorporate black into your room just make sure that it’s not sticking out like a sore thumb where your eye goes immediately there and try to balance it out throughout the room if you need to.
Davelle : Interesting.
Michelle: That’s easy breezy.
Davelle : Yeah, it’s funny because I remember at one point someone had told me about adding black into a room and I was like, “Oh that’s so scary.” I just feel like you don’t want things to get dark. Maybe that was a few years ago because now I do feel I’m a lot more accustomed to black and so now I’m like, “Oh that sounds like an interesting idea.”
Davelle : One of the ideas I used to pull some black into my kitchen was actually a chalkboard wall. I had someone paint a chalkboard wall so I’ve got that accent black wall in the room.
Michelle: Love it. Yeah. I’m doing that actually in a client’s house.
Davelle : Oh really?
Michelle: I’m presenting this weekend and [inaudible 00:23:50] so fun.
Davelle : Yeah.
Michelle: She’s got kids too so I think it’s like a fun little thing while she’s cooking or he’s cooking the kids can come play on a chalkboard.
Davelle : Totally.
Michelle: I think too with the black by default chances are you’ve already not even intentionally incorporated black like your coffee table, a side table, chances are it’s already there and probably not even something you have to think about. If you take a scan around your room and you’re like, “Whoa everything’s feeling really like there’s no black anywhere” then just something to find yourself a little vase, add a little picture frame, done.
Davelle : Awesome, that sounds great. What else is on your list of things for a finishing touch of a room?
Michelle: Yes so this is the last one. It’s just to add a statement piece. This may have actually already happened. Maybe your statement piece ended up being the wallpaper that you chose that was fabulous or maybe you want to find a piece of art that’s really amazing or a really cool chair that you know nobody else in the world has. Basically just a statement piece or I like to call it, your personality. Do something to bring in something interesting that kinda reflects who you are into your home because at the end of the day it’s your home and you really want to feel like it’s personal. You want to feel comfortable and I also like when people come in they take a glance around and they’re like this is your home and this is kind of where you’re supposed to be.
Davelle : Right.
Michelle: It think that just gives it a warm fuzzy. I love that.
Davelle : Awesome. That sounds great, cool. Anything else that you’re sort of …
Michelle: Those are my eight tips.
Davelle : Those are your eight tips.
Michelle: Those are my eight tips.
Davelle : Anything else that you’re noticing right now in sort of trends with your clients, things people are liking or not liking to do in their homes?
Michelle: I think a big one right now is really deep saturated walls and I think that’s another … [inaudible 00:25:36] a lot of stuff happening that is very polarizing. Like I said, the rattan stuff it can be really polarizing, I think that deep saturated walls so like a really deep navy or Benjamin Moore’s Color of the Year, it’s called Shadow and it’s like this really deep plum purple color. I think it’s a really great color if you have the courage to do it or in the right space obviously.
Davelle : Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Michelle: That’s a big one I’m seeing right now and I just think it’s kind of like people either love it or hate it. There’s no real in between. They love it or they’re just like, “No I couldn’t”.
Davelle : For that saturated wall is that something they’re doing as an accent wall or are they painting their whole rooms plum and deep navy?
Michelle: I think that we’re seeing it I think people are not committing so they’re doing accent walls. You’re seeing a lot more of an entire room painted a really deep saturated color and I think again if you have the right room for it and you have the right actual light I think it can be really awesome and it makes a real statement. One thing I think is a good way instead of doing an accent wall, because like I said for me accent walls I just don’t think every room should have an accent wall, I don’t even mean every room in your house I just mean they’re not for every room and it’s not something that you should just do. I think sometimes it’s better to just commit to the entire room with the same color.
A nice way to kind of break it up I think would be with some wainscotting so you can have the really nice white trim with a wainscotting about a third of the way up the wall and then you do the really deep saturated color on the upper portion of your wall and then it doesn’t feel like you’ve committed quite so hard. It’s still not an accent wall but it’s kind of bringing in the best of both worlds. I think that can look really beautiful.
Davelle : Awesome, that sounds great. Actually on the subject of accent walls, I was thinking at one point about putting a brick wall in my place and it was going to be an accent wall. One of my girlfriends was like, “Don’t do it.” She’s like, “It’s going to be so hard to remove, brick walls are out.” I wanted to ask you, is she right, are brick walls out? Was I thinking the wrong thing, tell me?
Michelle: Here’s the thing, interestingly our house has a brick wall façade but we did not know that until we started dealing with our electrical when we moved in. We were like, “Cool exposed brick” but it had been painted. We were like, “This is so cool, we love it.” Then all of a sudden we were like figuring out the facade’s falling off and it’s a half brick and we were like, “Oh okay this isn’t even real.” I’m into exposed brick. I’m really into it. I prefer it to be the actual architecture of the house as opposed to a façade personally and I think too depending on where you put it, if it makes sense for me it just has to make sense. Let’s just say you do go with a façade and there are some really nice ones out there that look really great and real, for me it’s like just make sure it’s a wall that it could potentially actually be a brick wall on the other side as opposed to some random wall in the middle of the wall like in the interior, you know what I mean?
Davelle : Got it.
Michelle: At least you’re like you know what is it a brick wall, is it actually for real? I’m into it, I’m personally more into it if it’s an actual part of your home that you’ve exposed.
Davelle : Right, yeah, awesome. That sounds great.
Michelle: I think I am 50/50 on that one.
Davelle : Okay. 50/50 with conditions. You just have to kinda see.
Michelle: Yeah, exactly, caveats, disclaimers, all of it.
Davelle : Yeah, absolutely that’s so funny. Can you tell our listeners how they can reach you if they’ve got some more designer questions?
Michelle: Totally. If you want to learn more about my services or check out my portfolio you can go to michellebinette.com or I would actually prefer to invite you to my Facebook group which is called Dream Homies and you can request access to that by going to dreamhomies.com. It’s basically just a place where people can ask for advice, post pictures from their home, ask questions and myself and all of the other homies in the group will chime and give you advice and kinda help you along the way.
Davelle : Cool, awesome. In terms of real estate, are you a renter, an owner and what part of the city do you live in?
Michelle: I’m an owner. I think I’m going on four years and I’m in East Toronto so [inaudible 00:30:01] area and we love it very much.
Davelle : Awesome. Amazing. That’s very good. Cool. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us today Michelle, it’s been a pleasure having you again.
Michelle: Awesome, thanks for having me, always a pleasure.
Davelle : No problem and thanks again for joining us and just reach out to Michelle at michellebinette.com for more tips and more advice. Thanks a lot Michelle.
Michelle: Thank you.
Davelle : Thanks again for joining us for some Toronto real estate market insights. You can visit my website at morrisonsellsrealestate.com or visit morrisontalksrealestate.com for more episodes of the podcast. Thanks for listening.